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Monday, June 21, 2004

A Hamburg story


In every city we visited so far we noticed two European features that
make these places very different from New
York. Firstly, it's the exceptional quality of dairy products (or
smoked fish if talking about Norway). Secondly, it's the apparent
absence of police on the streets.

Without a cop posted at every corner Europeans engage in all kinds of
outrageous behavior: they drink beer on the streets, smoke in the bars,
rollerblade inside railway stations, bike on sidewalks, sitting on milk
crates, etc... Well, I am not even talking about what they do Amsterdam!
All this behavior is of course illegal in New York, but here the
society shows a much greater degree of tolerance. Like it or not, but
apparently the majority here doesn't think that for these offenses
people should be taken to court.
And with a much smaller number of crimes subject to prosecution,
Europeans probably do not need so much police, and those few officers
they have are probably running after thiefs and murderers. That's why
here you don't see them idling in every donut shop.

We didn't see law enforcement in action until we reached the 'free and
hanseatic city of Hamburg'. This is how the tourbook calls this place.
Hamburg is a separate state in Germany, and being 'free and hanseatic'
it's entitled to making up its own laws one, of which instantly reminded
me of New York.

Right in the beginning of our city walk we came across a street musician
who assembled his sound making machine out of impossible number of
stuffed animals, broken hangers, pieces of furniture and every other
imaginable type of garbage. All together it was making quite a pleasant
sound that people, adults and children alike, seemed to like. We
stopped to listen as well. But then two cops walked by... To give them
a credit, they discretely waited until the song is over, but then the
walked to the musician, said something, checked his papers, wrote
something in their book...while the crowd was still waiting for the
continuation of the show. But afterwards there was no more fun - man
packed his machine and left, much to everybody's disappointment.
Everything happened very calmly without any excesses, I don't even think
that the performer was fined, yet the scene had a very ugly feeling
about it. Two big guys with guns are harassing one harmless little guy
with
bells around his ankles - and nobody calls police to stop it, because
these armed guys are police and the Law stands behind them. It
felt like if I got into the inverted, 'behind the looking glass' world,
where the notions of good and bad are completely messed up. Well, I
often feel that way back at home.
And as for the Hamburg, it is certainly a fine interesting city, but
this incident cast a long shadow over my
perception of the city. It took me a while before I shook it off of my
mind.
And Zara was also disappointed: 'And nobody defended him! In Dushanbe
people always protest when police chases somebody unjustly... And
police usually leaves..'
Well, how can she prefer the instinctive reflexes of wild tajiks over
the obedience of the civilized Germans. These are brought up to respect
the Law and Order above anything else, just the same way they were
during the Third Reich.



6 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

> And with a much smaller number of crimes subject to
> prosecution, Europeans probably do not need so much
> police, and those few officers they have are probably
> running after thiefs and murderers. That's why
> here you don't see them idling in every donut shop.

I know you have some major beef about NYC police, and I share some of your sentiments, although I think some of your concerns are exaggerated through your libertarian lens (would you like to smoke in bars? I certainly wouldn't want you to - it's a public health issue, not a matter of individual liberties).

Anyway, I read your comment above as somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but if you are being serious, then I think the comments above are simplifying a much more complicated matter. Why is the crime rate in Europe (at least, violent crimes) so much lower than in the US? [And keep in mind that NYC has been rated the safest of large US cities for several years in a row now]. Is police force in Europe so much better and more focused/organized than their counterparts in US? I don't know if that's true or not, but I doubt that alone would tell the whole story. How much do things like culture, education, media, and the legal system (gun control laws, the punishment/sentencing rules, etc.) play a part in this phenomenon? I don't have ready answers, but I bet it's more than just having a lean and focused police force that's involved here.

- Serge

June 25, 2004 at 1:32 PM  
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June 25, 2004 at 1:38 PM  
Blogger MM said...

>I think some of your concerns are exaggerated through
>your libertarian lens (would you like to smoke in
>bars? I certainly wouldn't want you to - it's a public
>health issue, not a matter of individual liberties).

You know I hate when people smoke, so this issue was a real test of my libertarian views. I think what is in stake here is not the public health issue, but the freedom of business owner to decide what happens inside his business. Personally I wasn't bothered, by people smoking in the bar as long as I had the choice NOT to go to the bar that permits smoking. Had the Gov-t banned smoking on the streets, I'd support it - streets are public, and non-smokers are forced to share them with smokers.
However regulating what people do on private property, is in my opinion rude violation of privacy and a dangerous legal precedent.

June 27, 2004 at 2:32 PM  
Blogger MM said...

>Is police force in Europe so much better and more
>focused/organized than their counterparts in US?

I wasn't even trying to analyse ALL the reasons why crime in US is much higher than in other countries. My point was that some of the crime is actually not a crime in the common sense understanding of the word. It was artificially created by lawmakers who for various reasons (or lack of reason) decided to outlaw certain types of activities that pose no or little danger to the society. The most famous recent example of artificially created crime is Prohibition. The historic example would be various witch hunts which continued well into XVII century. In about 50 to 100 years people will be placing in same category the current war on marijuana as well as many other laws that govern today's society.

June 27, 2004 at 2:42 PM  

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